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-----Original Message-----
From: arthur altvater <>
Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Laramie (AO-16) (

Hi Carlos,Thanks for the attachment on the Laramie,sure brought back
some good & some rather sad memories.

I was one of the seamen that put the bodies of my 4 shipmates in canvas
body bags for burial at sea. that were killed when we were
torpedoed.The good LORD was with me that night,I was on watch on
#1gun,my bunk was right over top of the guy`s that were killed.I have
pictures of the burial at sea and sometime i will send you a picture if
you would like to have it.

Thanks for the Info and maybe some of your puter buddies will have some
more info.

Again THANKS Waiting to hear from you.
I Remain Art  PHM2c.


Hi CAROS,read your mail to RAMON and i don`t know who who wrote that article about the LARAMIE but here` the straight scoop.
I was on watch on #1 Gun when the fish hit and there was no Fuel splashing around in the gun turret,the fish hit the food locker and ruptured the bulkheads in that compartment.We were really lucky that night,When the fish hit i was on the phones and i looked down at the water & saw another fish pass right in front and go on by.My bunk was right over top of the 4 shipmates that were killed,so if i didn`t belive in guardian angles i sure did after that night.This happened to me after only 6 weeks in the navy at age17,I am now 75 years old and i can still hear that explosion.Had 4 weeks of boot camp. & on the 6th week i was home on leave from being torpedoed..
We had a great damage control team and they are the one`s that saved our ship that night.
Again there was no fuel sloushing around where i wa on #1 gun other place i can recall.
If you get a chance write me back,sure would like to know of any shipmates that might still be alive and were there that night.


Hi Carlos,Got your mail on the offer to make a special page on the Laramie I will be sending you some photos along with some captions for each one.I am on webtv and i have to take a picture of the ones i want to send you. with my camcorder and then i have to transfer it to my e-mail.Is that ok with you?I can only send one picture at a time.
Now I would like to clear up all the scuttle-butt About all the fuel oil and gasoline sloushing around,Like I said before there was none in the gun turret where i was on watch,and there was none anyplace else.My land don`t these guys know that if there had of been I wouldn`t be writting to you ,If all that fuel was loose that ship would have been blown to kingdom come.
Carlos thanks for the e-mail and thanks for the offer.
Carlos one more ?Can you track another ship I was on in the south pacfic.It was the USS Relief A hospital ship.This is also an interesting story. Me and some of the Pharmacist and some of the ships crew went and took the wounded off the BIG E the night she got hit.
I have a whole journal on her.
I REMAIN Art USN Oilers> USN Oiler List

AO-16 USS Laramie
Kaweah class Fleet Oiler:
Displacement: 14,500 tons
Length: 446'
Beam: 58'
Draft: 27'6"
Speed: 10.5 knots (max); 10 knots (econ)
Armament: 2 5"/38 DP, 4x2 40mm, 4x2 20mm
Complement: 107
Reciprocating engines, single screw, 2,800 hp.
Built at William Cramp & Sons and commissioned 28 Dec 1921

AO-6 USS Pecos
Kanawha/Cuyama class Fleet Oiler:
Displacement: 14,500 tons
Length: 476'
Beam: 56'
Draft: 28'
Speed: 12 knots (max); 9 knots (economy)
Armament: 2 5"/38 DP, 4x2 40mm, 4x2 20mm
Complement: 475
Capacity: 55,700 barrels
Reciprocating engines, twin screws, 10,400 hp
Built at Boston Navy Yard and commissioned 25 August 1921
1 Mar 42; air attack south of Java


USS Pecos AO-6


Silhouette of USS Kanawha - Oiler of similar age of USS Laramie
Hi CAROS,I am sending this to you,I wrote this chap after you gave me that link to The Laramie
You nkw i don`t recall anything he is telling us here..It was night time when we got hit and evening & dark and i don`t remember anyone going overboard with the damage-control crew trying to save the ship & the Skipper using evasive action also to save the ship.However this could have been i just have any recall of it.
By the way I went thru my photos and came up with a picture of the Laramie,the wife is going to have it blown up(No pun here) and will get the picture to you.
See YA Art
-----Original Message-----
From: arthur altvater
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 10:49 AM
Subject: Laramie

Hi Harold,I was stationed aboard the Laramie & she was my first ship after i got out of boot camp, and we were torpedoed going thru the Belle Isle straits newfoundland.That was Aug 27th 1942 at 21:31 hours.Four of my shipmates were killed & we buried them at sea on Sept 2nd.
When were you aboard her?
Write ack when you can.
Art ,PHM2nd class

Wow what a surprise! (I am writing for Harold he is blind, his wife Agnes) I too went on the Laramie as my first ship out of boot at Great Lakes. I was definitely on there when we were torpedoed I was blown off the ship and remember when they picked me up took me to sick bay and gave me a shot of whiskey to warm me up. After we returned to the states when we went for repairs I was transfered to the Lackawanna also a tanker and that is where I spent my Navy time in the So Pac I was transfered in 45 to Phila to W/T school and after that the war was ending and because I was reg. Navy got out. After all the years finally we started a reunion of the AO 40 in 85 and have attended everyone As the years went by and we found more guys there was Arthur Wainz and Herman White that had also been on the Laramie and transfered at the same time I was. I lived in Calif. from 48 to 84 and worked for the Santa Fe RR then retired to Az. Great hearing from you.
Write anytime Harold Williams
PS both men mentioned are deceased now


USS Relief - Another ship Arthur served on.


Photo at: has a mention by a nurse who was aboard during the last days of the war. This is one I did for them and I remember the Relief bit about Magic Carpet and China in particular. There is lots more, but the internal search engine is into some strange tail eating game and truncates 119 entries to 10 for one query.
You can also see quite a few of those personal recollections I mentioned before at:
For some reason the official DANFS entry hasn't been put up. Art, I'd be interested in your take on that after the clear correction for Laramie. It might be some time, but I can scan it and send it along.


Joe asked whether Dick, or I ever encounted a tsumani. Maybe Joe can put all the addees in this message in his address book so we'll all be in on his interesting stories. Anywho...yes, once off the Virginia Capes.It was aboard the USNS Gilliss, an AGOR, or oceanographic research vessel of 210 feet in length. We were working with the USNS Lynch, another of the same type, and dimensions doing underwater sound experiments/studies. The Lynch towed a 350 foot by 15 foot "tube" called the SPAR ( Seagoing Platform for Acoustical Research ).
Working cross Gulf Stream, the Lynch on the West side, Gilliss to the East, the SPAR would be "sunk" erect to where only fifty-feet would remain above water. The other three-hundred below, all the while the Lynch remaining tethered. At the bottom of the SPAR were numerous hydrophone arrays for receiving sound. The Gilliss as the sound "source" ship would launch SUS (Signal Underwater Sound ) charges at different depths. Knowing the position of each ship either by radar, visually, or navigation system ( at that time Loran C ), the deflections of the sound under water could be noted, and recorded for study.
Whatever the results for this study were, they are probably still today "classified" if some Army Colonel hasn't gotten to them, or the "Walker" boys. Ha Ha.
It's use being obvious, we won't get into that, the interesting thing here is the story to follow.
Whenever we could, we would knock off for the night - those explosions of two-pounds of whatever could ruin one's sleep. If the weather was nice - we'd kill the main engines. This was one such night - beautiful weather, and calm seas. We lay about twenty or so miles from the Lynch, who also was just "drifting". "Fishing time" - the dolphin bitin' like crazy, many of the crew were on the stern watching the guys fishing. As usual, on the bridge it was BS time.
It was about 2200 when the third mate, after taking a gander at the radar - mainly for traffic, mentioned a line about fifteen miles to the east on the scope. As straight a a rule, from scope rim to scope rim was this illuminated contact. "Hummmmmm" I commented as I viewed it.
"Sound the signal for Fire, and Emergency - hit the General Alarm! Announce all hands outside to get inside - everyone stay inside, and stand-by.' I ordered the Third, and followed with:
"Never mind...I'll make the announcement, you tell the engine room to start warming up the main engines. '
"Yes sir!' came the reply in the dark.
"This is not a drill, we have a large wave heading this way, get off the decks, and stay inside. Man your assigned stations, zone area commanders make your reports to the bridge. Close all water tight, and fire screen doors. This is not a drill.'
"That's a killer wave. Start the steering motors.' I said, addressing the helmsman, and Third Officer.
"Track it's speed...will ya.' I told the mate, now off the phone.
"Lynch, this is Gilliss on thirteen...ya copy?' I thought I'd better tip off the Lynch, and anyone else in the vicinity using the VHF.
"Gillis, this is Lynch...what's up?'
"We hold a return on the radar for a large swell coming our way. We're powering up to meet it. Let your skipper it?'
"Geeeeeeeeez! Yes...we got it. Lynch out.'
"Gilliss out.'
"Good grief! It'll be here in ten minutes!' said the Third.
I grabbed the phone, and called the engine room myself - "Give me both main engines now! ' and hung up.
Inside a minute we had green lights for steering, and the main engines on the consol.'
"Full Ahead, Hard Left Rudder...give me a heading straight on into that line.' I ordered.
I remember all this like it was yesterday. I had read plenty about tsunamies, and rogue swells in texts, and stories, but never encountered one. This was before the movie "Posiedon Adventure", which did a great job of depicting one. Fortunate to have the time, and weather to detect this monster, I am still here able to talk about it.
Those assigned to the bridge area for Fire, and Emergency started to fill the spaces. The helmsman I had, I told to stay put, his relief to grab the binoculars, and scan ahead with the others on lookout.
Like in a nightmare, time started to drag, the line getting closer, myself scanning the horizon ahead. The phone ringing as crew started reporting their stations manned.
There was no moon, but the stars were bright down to the horizon.
"Stars are going out ahead.' reported one lookout.
They were setting instead of rising!
"Zero Six Five....Zero Six Five.' said the Mate excitedly.
"Come to Zero Six Five.' I said.
Spinning the wheel to check 'er up, the helmsman, almost there, answered: "Zero Six Five...aye.'
"Steady on Zero Six Five Suh.' he next reported.
"Half Ahead.' I ordered...not wanting too much speed, but enough to hold her head.
"Good Grief!....There it is.' came a cry from the bridge wing.
Yes...there it was, shiny in the starlight, but black as spades...not a show of white though, or combing. The relief was awesome.
"Here it comes....Hold on. Pass the word on the PA system, and phones for all hands to hang on.'
Up, up, up we went, bow to this gigantic swell, up, up up....
Seemingly like forever, but then a slow levelling...hanging, hanging, and then down, down, down...ever so gently. Not a drop on deck, not a sound...nothing crashing, no one falling, even talking.
"Anything see anthing else on the radar?' I asked.
"Nothing Cap...not a ripple.' came the reply.
"Can you beat that? Slow ahead. We'll just continue on this heading for a while in case there's anymore coming. Tell all stations it's passed, but we're giving it time.'
"How's the coffee?' I asked.
"'s still there Cap...want me to make some fresh?'
"Yeah...might as well, while we wait. I'll call the Lynch.'
As fickle as nature is, the night passed without any incidents. The Lynch never felt, nor saw it, which for them was really good, being tethered to that SPAR might have been disasterous, and also being on the continental shelf west of the gulf stream, that swell would be getting ready to tumble, and comb. Never heard any reports from other ships, nor shore...strange.
"Coffee's ready Cap.'
"Thanks. Stop 'er, rudder amidships, dismiss from drills.'
"Hey'd you stay so calm through all that?'
"Aah...nothin' too it Mr. Mate! Let me tell you about the maelstrom in the Loften Islands. Here we were getting ready to be sucked down into this gigantic whirlpool....'


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